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  Starlight in a Young Universe

  by Perry in

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  the scientific method begins with a faith statement called a hypothesis, and then goes on to look for evidence, for or against support of the faith statement.. secular materialists often change their ideas on exactly how things have made themselves, but never whether they did.. the manifesto for this self imposed mental ban seems to be summed up by geneticist richard lewontin:.

  ‘our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural.

  we take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.. it is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.

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  paul from cleveland

  Perry, thank you for sharing. I found that very interesting.
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

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  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  paul from cleveland

  Dear Formerbrother, I truly hear you. I'm continually in the process of letting go. Accepting that it's okay not to know. As long as we're trying to be the best that we can be that's all that we can do.
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  Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  is it just me?

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  paul from cleveland

  Cofty, I'll look again at some point when I can focus on this. I suspect it's my inability to stay focused that's the problem. If you say it's already simplified as much as possible I believe you.
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  Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  is it just me?

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  paul from cleveland

  Yes, that's a good idea. The simplified version.
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  Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  is it just me?

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  paul from cleveland

  Okay, let me look again.
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  Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  paul from cleveland

  To me , proselytizing is something religions do to promote their faith without giving any , concrete / substantial / verifiable evidence to back up there claims

  Proselytize just means to try to convert someone from one belief to another. Whether or not you're using facts doesn't make a difference.
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  Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  is it just me?

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  paul from cleveland

  Thank you! Yes, of course we're on the same side! That's why I feel free to express myself. Regarding Cofty's evolution posts, my brain goes blank reading them. I can not understand them.
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  Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  is it just me?

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  paul from cleveland

  I was never fully convinced "the truth" was the truth when I was in although I didn't share my misgivings until the end. Now that I'm out I still don't know for a fact that it isn't true. I know myself well enough to know I can never believe anything enough to declare it a fact to myself. When I was in my continual prayer was for more faith. I will never "know".
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  Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  paul from cleveland

  Yes, it was triggered by Cofty's series of topics but not just his. I couldn't articulate the uneasy feelings I had every time I saw "Evolution is a Fact #" until I saw the thread "How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?" I realize it's the same feeling.

  I'm still trying to find the words... Closed minded arrogance? I'm right you're wrong? You're stupid if you don't believe like I do? These descriptions aren't exactly representing my feelings but they are something along these lines.

  I'm not speaking of Cofty as a person. I enjoy his posts very much. It's just a certain mindset that blindsides me from time to time.
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  Is proselytizing less condescending when evolutionists do it?

  by paul from cleveland in

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  paul from cleveland

  what isn't?

  Do you mean it's not proselytizing when it's "The Truth"?